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Subject: Re: Never Say "I" When It is the Ego???
"bluewave2404" <bluewave2404@y...> wrote:

////Thus when we call the ego "I" as in the DU forgiveness thought
process, we are really getting the ego to choose against itself--which
is something that later in the bok A&P say they are trying to do on
page 288. So perhaps the forgiveness thought process in DU is really
about the ego choosing against itself, which allows the natural
transition to choosing the Holy Spirit. Isn't seeing the real world
in which there is no need for forgiveness an automatic effect of
choosing the Holy Spirit? Is so, how can forgiving thoughts on this
level (e.g. the forgiveness thought process in DU) be of the Holy

From: "Aanel (ah-NEL)" <angelofvic@a>  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005
Subject: Re: Never Say "I" When It is the Ego???

Because we cannot dissolve our unconscious guilt *without* forgiving
via the Holy Spirit. The ego cannot choose against itself without the
Holy Spirit -- we cannot wake up on our own. Just "choosing with the
Holy Spirit," without knowing how to clear our vast unconscious guilt
via forgiveness with HS, will not release us from the dream.

Bluewave: ////I'm not saying the forgiving thought process isn't helpful. But
if we realize that just thinking those words might not be of the Holy
Spirit in itself, then this will explain why thinking those words
doesn't always bring peace. If we were really choosing the script of
the Holy Spirit wouldn't we have peace? Thus forgiving thoughts are
not of the Holy Spirit, but a surrendering ego.////

Aanel:  The ego ain't gonna surrender. It will simply be dissolved eventually
as we heal and release our unconscious guilt via true forgiveness. It
is not the ego that forgives, but "us," or "I." I think perhaps where
confusion is arising is that you are seeing "I" as meaning the ego,
when actually it simply means the unit of consciousness that I
experience myself to be in the dream. This unit of consciousness is
NOT the ego, although it has been driven by the wrong mind (ego) and
the right mind (HS) at varying points along its path. The wrong mind
cannot actually choose against itself. Only the right mind has the
wisdom to see through the fear of the wrong mind and forgive what is
not really there. Thus only the Holy Spirit (right mind) can forgive -
- not the fearful wrong mind.

As I mentioned before, the ego per se, in my understanding, did not
create the world. The entire transpersonal split mind -- which
includes the right mind and the wrong mind -- created the world.
Thus, the universe contains symbols of both: gentleness and violence,
love and suffering. So to identify "the ego" as who created the
world, rather than the more accurate "consciousness" that created it,
would perhaps solve this dilemma. That is why we say "I" created my
reality, rather than just "the ego" made up my reality. ("I" being
the unit of consciousness projected by the transpersonal Split Mind).

One reason I find that simply reciting Pursah's forgiveness process
may not always work, is that we need to go back to the deep
fundamentals of forgiveness:

(1) I am asleep, and this is my dream. I am dreaming all this.

(2) I forgive my dream projections for what they did not do, because
they are not really there.

(3) I withdraw/recall my projections back to my OWN mind, and realize
that I projected them merely to escape my OWN hidden guilt over
attacking God.

(4) Since (the Holy Spirit tells me that) the separation from God
never occurred, my own unconscious guilt is indeed spurious -- so I
forgive myself for what I never did.

[Oh yeah and by the way, since this is a dream, I am not here either
and I am not a body and I never did anything within the dream,
either. If I think I did anything reprehensible in the dream, that as
well is just a smoke-screen for my unconscious guilt, and is a
projection that needs to be recalled/withdrawn and forgiven as what
it really is -- spurious unconscious guilt over the illusory

(5) I thank the Holy Spirit for helping me see the reality in all
this, and I join with Him in peace and choose His strength.

In the final analysis, we each develop our own mental process of
forgiveness, as we learn the complete, complex metaphysics of it and
adapt the concepts to a longhand or shorthand that works best for us.
Do what works. If Pursah's process doesn't work, use other ACIM
concepts that are effective for you.

Well, that's how I see it today ...



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